Monday, May 21, 2007

Consumerism and Car Accident Pictures of Kenny Sia's Blog

A continuation from my previous article:
"NOT" Unethical Pictures of Car Accident from Kenny Sia

Link: http://sagaladoola.blogspot.com/2007/05/not-unethical-pictures-of-car-accident.html

Please read the above before proceeding.

Let's see what the man has to say in his blog:
http://www.kennysia.com/archives/2007/05/trauma.php

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KENNY SAID: The guy is the real hero because...? He chanted some Muslim prayers to a dead girl? Please explain why you think the man holding the dead girl after we have already ascertained that they were no survivors is a real hero.

COMMENT:

This is the photo.

Link: http://www.kennysia.com/images/photos/2007/20070518-3.jpg

Yes, he is a hero. He helped the victims in need, dirtied his hands while SOMEBODY took picture for his blog (consumerism).

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KENNY SAID: I took photos during my father's funeral as well. There is nothing wrong in that.

COMMENT: The pictures that he took wasn't funeral photos. Wonder why he answered it this way.

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KENNY SAID: There is no need to ask. It is a news item. Does newspaper need permission to ask when reporting the news? For God's sakes, the family is grieving you still wanna ask that type of question? And for your information, The Borneo Post posted the news item on their website first before I did. Do you think they asked?

COMMENT:
This is Borneo Post picture, no blood, after the accident. China Press posts similar pictures as Borneo Post.
http://www.theborneopost.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/00002004.jpg

This is Kenny's picture of a victim, with blood, leg and pain. Taken EXACTLY at the accident scene.
http://www.kennysia.com/images/photos/2007/20070518-6.jpg

So, which picture will make the family suffer the most? You judge yourself. Are they the same genre of pictures? No, right?

He hasn't quite replied that if he were the one involved in the accident, would he be able to accept it that we are taking his picture provided he is dead.

If he say it is ok, then we can understand where he is coming from.

So far he is avoiding the question. Wonder why?

Is he doing it for consumerism? Is his blog getting money for hits? Will this kind of pictures generate hits?

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KENNY SAID: I helped before I took any photos.

COMMENT: Refer pictures above and read below on consumerism and whether he can accept his photo being taken in that way (read above).

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KENNY SAID: In this situation, if they are still alive they would be crying, or screaming, or making movement. If they are unconscious then they are in no danger of becoming dead. As long as the area is safe (ie, no danger of the car blowing up), it is perfectly alright to leave the unconscious inside the car.

COMMENT: An unconscious but STILL alive person would not be crying nor screaming nor make any move. An unconscious person MAY NOT be a dead person. Look at his answer. That is how he assumed they are dead. Guess what, he said he had first aid skills. He has not answered us on how he made the diagnosis on whether they are dead or otherwise. Wonder why?

Keep on snapping pictures for consumerism and blog after that.

He said he panicked, but the strange thing is, his pictures look perfectly well. Perhaps, panicky makes good pictures.

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KENNY SAID: You can name me EVERY SINGLE code of ethics that press photographers follow and I can prove to you that I followed EVERY SINGLE one of them. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF THEM.

COMMENT:
Let's read what comes from NickTay's blog:
http://the-reflector.com/?p=1838

Journalist Creed: http://journalism.missouri.edu/about/creed.html

Sentence 1: "I believe that the journalism which succeeds best — and best deserves success — fears God and honors Man; is stoutly independent, unmoved by pride of opinion or greed of power, constructive, tolerant but never careless, self-controlled, patient, always respectful of its readers but always unafraid.... "

Sentence 2: "I believe that no one should write as a journalist what he would not say as a gentleman; that bribery by one’s own pocketbook is as much to be avoided ....... "

Perhaps, we should all read and understand what Sentence 2 REALLY means. Perhaps, Kenny should tell us that those pictures on his blog is not available for consumerism? From what I gather, Kenny gets some money from his blog, not sure, maybe a rumour. How did Kenny get the Samsung X something something to take the pictures by the way? You tell me.

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Ladies and gentlemen, should we capitalise suffering? Can we justify it is OK to take pictures of the dead (without the face, but with blood and body) draw hits for our site and use it for consumerism? Is it ethical to do so?

If you were involved in an accident, would you want to have such photo of yours taken and be used for consumerism in blogs?

The picture: http://www.kennysia.com/images/photos/2007/20070518-6.jpg

Should we respect the dead and the family of the deceased? Is it tasteful or distasteful to do such a thing?

I do not know, you decide and judge.

The meaning of 'Consumerism':
1) A materialistic attachment to possessions
2) An economic theory that increased consumption is beneficial to a nation's economy

Link: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/consumerism

14 comments:

NickTay said...

My thoughts

Sagaladoola said...

Well, Nick, good that you responded. I have given him the benefit of doubt before writing any piece here.

Besides, I was just wondering why he avoided some questions, that's all.

As for your mom's. Condolences. Gore-y photos for saving lives are provided periodically by JPJ and PDRM to make people think and drive safely. That is because, like I previously said:

1) They are the authority
2) They do not make money from the pictures
3) They are not journalists.

Regards...

Sagaladoola said...

Besides, NickTay.

I know humility and consider myself as a normal blogger and not a journalist.

I know my place very well.

I have read your thoughts. Good piece you have written.

Kenny Sia said...

Sagaladoola,


I have sent you a message to your gmail. Please check.

Kenny

CrazyLobster said...

Sagaladoola,

I struggle before deciding to make a comment in your blog and finally decided I should do it, not for siding anyone, but to point out a thing or two which you might not foresee.

I dont know if Kenny is unethical or not but if he is, as you and many others claimed so, then in my opinion, those who attacking kenny with the deceased are equally, or not more, unethical.

Since you all have realised that posting pictures of the deceased are unethical, why keep linking it back to his blog and guide more blog readers to view it? Do you think that will make the family of the deceased happier? As someone whom had experience death in the family and it became the talk of a small city, I certainly dont think so.

If you all really want to help the family of the deceased, in my opinion, the best way is to let the issue fade from everyone's mind gradually, instead of rubbing in.
But if your sole purpose is not to help the family of the deceased but is to use them to attack kenny, then no doubt you are just unethical.

Anyhow, if you disagree with what I just wrote, I sincerely think you should at least remove the links which are currently promoting the scene of the deceased suffering.

kthxbai!

Sagaladoola said...

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DID I ATTACK KENNY? WHEN?
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crazylobster said:
I dont know if Kenny is unethical or not but if he is, as you and many others claimed so, then in my opinion, those who attacking kenny with the deceased are equally, or not more, unethical.

Reply:
I do not know how this logic works. Did I attack Kenny Sia?

Take a look at which part did I say he is wrong. I was asking questions.

Did I say he is wrong or unethical?

I am not trying to be offensive, but I am just curious why you sense that and conclude that posing the pictures of the deceased is unethical?

Why are you (not me) concluding that Kenny is unethical?

I would like to remove the pics of the deceased suffering but I am just a blogger learning from a news reporter (as Kenny called himself).

I had no choice but to make the link to explain and ask questions the points at hand. Otherwise, some Kenny's loyalists would not be able to comprehend the meaning of "ethical", "not unethical" and "unethical".

Be rest assured, if Kenny makes the removal, I shall do it too.

Otherwise, once comprehension is conveyed, removal of the link would also be done.

Norman said...

Ur great. you flat out claim that kenny take pictures and post it in his blog because of consumerism.

Now i have this question for you. Are you posting this because u want more hits?


Anyway quoting from your comment:

"That is because, like I previously said:

1) They are the authority
2) They do not make money from the pictures
3) They are not journalists."

Are you implying that kennysia makes money from the pictures? What evidence do you have? Are you implying that journalists CAN NEVER post them?

Last of all, are you a dictator???

Sagaladoola said...

NORMAN SAID:
Ur great. you flat out claim that kenny take pictures and post it in his blog because of consumerism.

Now i have this question for you. Are you posting this because u want more hits?

REPLY:
You tell me. I did not take the photo.

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NORMAN SAID:
Anyway quoting from your comment:

"That is because, like I previously said:

1) They are the authority
2) They do not make money from the pictures
3) They are not journalists."

a) Are you implying that kennysia makes money from the pictures?
b) What evidence do you have?
c) Are you implying that journalists CAN NEVER post them?

REPLY:
a) What do you think?
b) Refer (a)
c) I did not say journalists can never post them. I said it "Not unethical" too.

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NORMAN SAID:
Last of all, are you a dictator???

REPLY:
No

Deriku said...

sagaladooda, just curious what is your purpose of all this 'questioning' regarding kenny's post. did someone appoint moral police to patrol the blogosphere, as what our dear ministers would have suggested?

Anonymous said...

No moral police here but I'm not here to defend Kenny but to point out something I find pretty ironic in your arguments:

You claim Kenny is exploiting the pictures of the dead girl [condolences] for the sake of popularity and consumerism.

let me see the titles of your last 3 posts:

1. "NOT" Unethical Pictures of Car Accident from Kenny Sia
2. Consumerism and Car Accident Pictures of Kenny Sia's Blog
3. Waiting for Kenny Sia's Reply: Car Accident Not "Unethical" Issue

So you're now exploiting them too aren't you + Kenny Sia's popularity?

boringest said...

oops...that was me.

Anyway, all bloggers are attention whores to a certain extent...lol

Added you to SARA btw.

Sagaladoola said...

Hi deriku,

I am against what Zainuddin Maidin proposed, you will notice in some entries that I make in this socio-political blog.

Hi anonymous,

No matter what kind of titles I put, you will say the same words also right?

So, what do you expect me to put?

The issues mentioned here was pertaining to Kenny Sia, logically, there is nothing wrong with placing his name in the title.

CrazyLobster said...

The choice is always yours, whether to link or not. Btw, I did not conclude kenny unethical. You would notice if you did not leave out the many "if"s I used. Same goes to you assuming I concluded "posting pictures of deceased" as something unethical.

Plus it is clear to anyone with common sense that your entry wasnt friendly. And I have no idea why must Kenny remove the pictures from his blog before you can remove the links your blog. Hrm. I wonder if there were other purposes for links other than trying to avoid confusion for the readers?

Anyway, since you have already made a closure on your blog, I dont see this discussion going anywhere.

Cheers.

Sagaladoola said...

Hi crazylobster,

Stop making denials, read what you have said earlier:
"I dont know if Kenny is unethical or not but if he is, as YOU and many others claimed so, then in my opinion, those who attacking kenny with the deceased are EQUALLY, or not more, UNETHICAL."

1) You say that I said Kenny is unethical, but I did not say so.
2) You say that I am unethical when I say Kenny is "Not" Unethical and you say that I attack Kenny.
3) Referring point number 2, you said anyone attacking Kenny is EQUALLY UNETHICAL for posting deceased pictures.

Kenny posted deceased pictures. I posted pictures.

So that would mean both Kenny and I are unethical.

Bear in mind that I originally say, in my posting that it is "NOT" unethical (does not mean it is ethical as well) for Kenny to do so. Why are you highlighting it the other way round?

Are you feeling that actually posting deceased pictures are unethical?

You get what you originally intended to say? Hope you are not confused...

Regards....